So, Let’s Talk Issues

Published: September 22, 2008, 2:15 am ET
Co-coordinator of Students for Barack Obama at UR


A response to “What Are the Issues?” (Opinion, Thursday, Sept. 18, 2008)

Albert Einstein, one of the greatest geniuses in the history of mankind once said, “great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Enough said. However, in the spirit of a fair and open-minded debate, I will try to elaborate on why Jarrett’s opinion piece is nothing more than a typical Republican smear attack/Fox News talking points article.

Firstly, regardless of one’s position on the issues — or the candidates — a civil discussion requires that we maintain a certain level of respect for the persons of our candidates for the highest office in land. I have no doubt that both Senators Barack Obama and John McCain love this country and are running for president to better it for us all. Thus, the question should rather be: Who is the better choice for President?

Jarrett’s blind accusation that the Obama campaign has been avoiding discussion of the issues shows a certain — and very unashamedly biased — evaluation of recent events. We know that it is the McCain campaign that has been releasing negative attack after negative attack, much of which manipulates and misleads the audience, forcing the Obama campaign to respond.

So let’s talk about the ISSUES. For millions of Americans the choice is clear in this election: On the one hand we have a long-time senator from the state of Arizona who served this nation in uniform but who offers nothing new and more of the same. On the other hand, we have a young Senator from Illinois, whose message of hope and change has inspired millions to believe in America’s promise once again. One offers a continuation of failed George W. Bush policies on, among other things, the economy, including huge tax cuts for the top 5% and little relief for working, middle class Americans. He supports an unending and indefinite occupation of Iraq — something even the Bush Administration has recently moved away from. On the other hand, the young Senator offers proposals to promote economic stimulus and shared prosperity by providing tax relief to the great majority of Americans who do not make over $250,000, own 7 homes or 13 cars. He also wants to bring our troops home from a war that “should never have been fought and never have been authorized.” He had the judgment to get it right and to oppose the war when it was politically unpopular — John McCain did not. Ironically enough, the Bush Administration, more recently adopted policies that are closer to Senator Obama’s proposals than those of John McCain’s — especially when it comes to dealing with Pakistan and the future of the occupation in Iraq.

Further, Jarrett, we ought to keep our standards upon which we judge our leaders constant and ask the same of everyone of them. To criticize Senator Obama’s ability to inspire millions of Americans and draw thousands to his rallies and to dismiss him as a “man of fashion, [who] has enjoyed a near-celebrity status,” while praising Sarah Palin for attracting crowds in a similar fashion, is not only absurd, but hypocritical, too — she attracted a crowd of over 60,000 at a recent rally in Florida. So, who is the “celebrity” now?

When we rise beyond partisan and ideological biases, we see that the choice in this election is very clear and simple: It is between John McCain, who pointing to a “recent study” showing he voted with President Bush 90 percent of the time on Meet the Press, said that “on the transcendent issues — the most important issues of our day — I have been in total agreement with president Bush.” He offers more of the same old Washington politics and failed policies that will not do in a changing world. We also have a candidate in Barack Obama who is offering a progressive, forward-looking vision and direction that is more in tune with the demands, challenges, and opportunities of the 21st century. Barack Obama inspired many of us before he even arrived in Washington by uttering 17 words that capture the true spirit of this nation: “There is not a liberal America and a conservative America—there is the United States of America.”

It has been said that “the essence of statesmanship is not a rigid adherence to the past, but a prudent and probing concern for the future.” Barack Obama has the judgment, the track record, and the ability to move us in the right direction. He has the ability to bring us together to face the common challenges facing our nation and, as Senator Kennedy said, “he is tough-minded, but he also has an uncommon capacity to appeal to ‘the better angels of our nature.’” To oppose the great spirits of the Senator and his people-powered Movement for Change, and to dismiss it as just “fashion” and “celebrity,” as Albert Einstein would agree, is only a reflection of a mediocre mind.

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  • Jarrett Dieterle
    Word, I look forward to more discussions in the future.
  • Darius Rasheed Nazeri
    Jarrett,

    Thank you again for your posts. I appreciate your humility and your effort in trying to make it a balanced and fair argument.

    I feel like there is little point to go back and forth further on the topics above--I guess we will agree to disagree.

    Though, one thing to ask of you: please use specific, concrete examples and please refer to specific policy issues that make your argument, instead of making vague generalizations.

    Thanks again and thank you for being honest in terms of why and how you take the stances you take.
  • Jarrett Dieterle
    Thanks for posting again. I read and enjoyed all your follow-up posts. I apologize on my part if I misunderstood your "mediocre mind" analogy or blew it out of proportion.

    As to the piece I originally wrote in the Collegian you have a viable argument about me not directly addressing the issues. The reason I didn't do so, though, was not a case of neglect, ignorance, or trying to instead just bash on Obama. In an ideal forum I would have been able to continue my piece with an actual point by point analyzation of the issues. I have a 500-600 word limit for my column each week sadly so it is tough to provide the details and statistics that the more focused political minds desire. I prefer more detailed talk- as I know you do. That's why I am hoping through the debates on friday and future articles the discussion can continue and be more focused. I try to keep my articles for the Collegian more general and ideology based than nitty gritty analysis. I delve into such analysis in other forums including my own blog and hopefully in the soon to be published Richmond Review. My space constraints in the Collegian tie my hands unfortunately.

    As far as the dispute over the National Journal credibility- we will have to leave our disagreements over its accuracy aside. Regardless of what one thinks about the NJ report, however, I think from a qualitative perspective as well it is very hard to find a lot of issues where Obama is anything but very liberal. His plans seem to me (albeit you may laugh and chalk me off as another skeptical conservative) liberal on all fronts. And yes, I think most Americans would consider Obama extraordinarily liberal if they looked at his actual plans. Personally, I would place him to the left of Edwards and Kerry who were two you mentioned. Of course he is no Teddy Kennedy- but that would be like saying I was more moderate than Ann Coulter!

    Victory in Iraq is possible given the current and indisputable success of the Surge. I don't want to lay out this argument now as it will just get rehashed in our debate I feel. Victory truly is an orphan in Iraq in that many Americans have deemed it unwinnable- about that you are right. That does not mean it is unwinnable- especially given our current success there that even Obama himself has now acknowledged. The "longer we stay there the worse it will get" is innaccurate. We have been there for a handful of years now. It went from initial success, to intermediate chaos, to a gradual return to order. Thus it is not simply getting progressively worse, but rather improving. The birth of effective counter-insurgency has been celebrated bipartisanly. Few can still responsibly claim that Iraq is completely disasterous and sliding into accumulated mayhem.

    As for timetables- just because Bush supports them does not mean that I (or other conservatives) necessarily agree. In fact, I take very few of the Bush Administration's policies towards Iraq seriously. There was a clear mishandling of the War and I believe whole-heartedly that McCain is better equipped to execute the situation than Bush. The man who understands Iraq warfare better than anyone, General Petraeus, has refused to support a timetable. Now it must be kept in mind we have already started redeploying some troops. We can start scaling back. This can be done without time being attached.

    And again I said last time and will reiterate- McCain does agree with many of Bush's policies. Your statistics regarding voting correlations are not all-encompassing though. Many of the issues on which they vastly disagree are issues that have not seen specific legislation. For example, the immigration issues has yet to be wholly brought before Capital Hill. Similarly, the Surge would not fit in this category as well because although they both ended up supporting it - McCain did so much earlier and forcefully. McCain also had his issues with the Bush tax cuts because he didn't trust the Administration to reign in spending (good call). All are examples of cases that might appear the same voting wise, but ideology extends far beyond votes- at least in my opinion. Lost in votes is the debate and individual viewpoints as far as the tweaks and changes a politician worked to enact.

    The issues that face us in the future display clear differences between these two men.There is a reason that the far-right has been extremely luke-warm about McCain's candidacy. They were not lukewarm about Bush's. By all accounts McCain is a more moderate Republican who has reached across the isle extensively with campaign finance, energy, et al.

    Again, sorry if I misconstrued your "mediocre mind" thing. It's all love from this Conservative.
  • Darius Rasheed Nazeri
    4. (Last, but not least) RASHEED ACCUSES JARRET OF HAVING A MEDIOCRE MIND?

    The simple and truthful answer is: NO.

    I apologize if it came across that way for it was not meant to be an exclusive and directed attack at you. What I meant to say was that those who attack a “great spirit” (be it Obama or McCain or any other national leader and public servant) who has inspired millions of Americans to get out and support him, JUST to attack him, without substance or reasonable cause or rationale, demonstrate characteristics of someone with a mediocre mind—not that there is anything wrong with “mediocre,” right?

    Let me ask you this: Do you honestly think that being called “mediocre” is worse that your charging of Obama as an “impertinent and foolish thing called a man of fashion”?

    I personally think that a national leader of a major party—whether we agree with him/her, or the respective party—ought to be respected and held to a bit of a higher esteem than what you have demonstrated in that article. Perhaps you did not really mean to imply that, or overlooked those key terms. Regardless, it does not change the fact that you did use that particular quote and likened him to the “man of fashion” described above, while praising John McCain as the solid and masculine guy who is a “warrior, a statesman, a philosopher, or a legislator.”

    Now, once again using NJ’s logic, I’ll pose this question:

    Given that John McCain and Bush are the same—90% mind you—does that make Bush 90% warrior, statesman, philosopher, and legislator?

    (If you answered yes, then we have some serious problems—jk.)
  • Darius Rasheed Nazeri
    2. IRAQ, WITHDRAWAL, TIMETABLES

    Looks like the only guy who still talks of “staying the course,” is John McCain. Even the Bush Administration, which for the longest time accused the Democrats of “cut-and-run” approaches and maintained that it would “stay-the-course” in Iraq, has now agreed to a timetable—yes, you heard me right, a TIME-TALBE—for withdrawal of our troops from Iraq.

    The important question on Iraq should be that of judgment: Barack Obama opposed this war and warned of the dire consequences on more than one occasion in 2002, before we went to war. John McCain supported it from the beginning, although, to be fair, he has been critical of the handling of the war.

    Nonetheless, I am not sure he’d do any better of a job at this either. He does not even know the difference between “shia” and “sunni,” or whether Iran supports Al-Qaeda or Shitte terrorist groups, such as Hezbollah. We may excuse Sarah Palin for not knowing what the “Bush doctrine” is because “she’s not running for president, but for vice president,” but what is our excuse when John McCain does not demonstrate an understanding of the basic facts on the ground there: that he is too old to remember?

    As for a plan for “victory,” I’ll say this: ever since we declared “Mission Accomplished” in 2003, the prospect of a “victorious” end to this war has gotten dimmer by the day. The thing to do is to “declare victory and get out.” Look, I’d love to see us come back after a total victory, too—I really do—but the two questions we should ask ourselves are: 1. Is it even possible? And 2. At what cost?

    It is time the Iraqis took charge of their own nation. We have given them way too much time to reach political agreements—and the reduction in violence, partly as a result of the surge—was a perfect opportunity for them to accomplish that. It seems like they are content with our soldiers patrolling their streets while their government sets on budget surpluses and makes little progress.

    The longer we stay there, the worse it will get. Why should we sacrifice our armed men and women’s lives when the Iraqis are not giving it their all?
  • Darius Rasheed Nazeri
    Jarrett,

    Thank you so much for keeping this forum alive and this conversation going. I have great respect for you, man, but the major problem I had with your article (“What are the Issues?”) was that it did NOT talk about a single issue in the campaign. It was more of an Obama/Biden-bashing and McCain/Palin-praising with no substantive reasons given.

    Here is my rebuttal to your rebuttal of my original rebuttal of your article (in order of importance):

    1. JOHN MCCAIN HAS VOTED 90% OF THE TIME WITH GEORGE W. BUSH
    (and offers more of the same)

    Update: McCain voted with Bush 100% of the time in 2008

    Look, this is no Democratic/leftist talking point; it is reality. But you don’t have to take my word for it; let’s let Senator McCain answer for himself:

    Senator McCain:
    [Rasheed is right, Jarrett, because] “on the transcendent issues — the most important issues of our day — I have been in total agreement with president Bush.” [Remember, Jarrett] “the President and I agree on most issues. There was a recent study that shows that I voted with the President over 90% of the time—higher than a lot of my, even, Republican colleagues.”

    If you can’t trust the for his words, here’s his record:

    Year/Support/Oppose
    2008 (to 05/15/08)/100%/0%
    2007/95%/5%
    2006/89%/11%
    2005/77%/23%
    2004/92%/8%
    2003/91%/9%
    2002/90%/10%
    2001/91%/9%

    Case closed on this.

    ----------------------------------------------------

    2. OBAMA IS THE MOST LIBERAL SENATOR
    (according to the NJ and thus does not really offer the same kind of change that he promises)

    Look, the so called “study” was done by the National Journal—renowned for its “fair and balanced” (to use a fallacious fox slogan), or as Karl Rove has called it, “nonpartisan” reporting and journalism.

    Here’s why the rankings are unfair and unbalanced:

    a. The rankings are based on 99 (in three categories) of the 422 votes cast by Senators; Senator Obama’s ranking was based on 67 votes and Senator McCain was not ranked because he had missed too many votes.

    If a Senator does not have enough votes in a certain category (of the 3), then all those votes are dropped and the ranking could be based on as little as one category.

    In 2004, John Kerry—yeah, remember that guy? The “liberal Senator from the state of Massachusets”—was ranked the “most liberal senator” in the same year when he was chosen as the Democratic candidate for President, a curious promotion from his rankings in previous years. (And yes, his ranking was based on only one of those 3 categories).

    Senator Obama was ranked 10th (2006) and 16th(2005) by the very same publication. Looks like Obama’s “liberal” ranking is dropping (in numerical value) faster than George Bush’s approval rating!

    Senator Hillary Clinton voted “liberal” 77 times—12 times more than Senator Obama (but she did cast more votes). So, having cast 12 more “liberal” votes than Obama puts Senator Clinton 15 spots behind him as “the most liberal senator”-- if you follow NJ’s logic, that is.

    As the Chicago Tribune writes (and many agree) “it’s hard to believe [Obama]’s really more liberal than Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Russ Feingold or Bernie Sanders.”

    [Same arguments hold for VP choices: Edwards in ’04 and Biden in ‘08].

    Enough said on that.

    [more to come below on Iraq, etc]
  • Jarrett Dieterle
    Hah, well after Rasheed scorching rebuttal I felt that I should provide some defense for my article. I will procced point by point.

    1) Agreed, John McCain's campaign has been extraordinarily guilty of negative campaign adds. Barack Obama does not escape guilt in this area either, however. BOTH candidates have manipulated facts regarding the other and utilized "scare tactics". I strongly think that such adds should be ceased- on both sides. Whichever candidate leads the way in stopping these will distinguish themselves in the minds of many Americans.

    2) Rasheed talks about McCain being a continuation of George W. Bush's policies. This is an easy and convenient way to get out of a close analysis of John McCain's stances. The forum for debating the Bush legacy is best kept for another time and another place. That being said, McCain is extraordinarily different from the Bush Administration in areas ranging from Climate Change, Immigration, and even judicial nominees.

    3) Next, Rasheed speaks of Obama's plan to cut taxes for all Americans who earn under $250,000 a year. He then follows this up by derisively (and hopefully jokingly) stereotyping them as people who own 7 homes and 13 cars. I assume this is a snipe at McCain, which again is fair enough given the vast wealth his wife has accumulated. Not all Americans in the top 5%, however, are millionaires. Many of them own one home, have a family of four or more, and are lucky to have two cars. These people are not swimming in money. They are wealthy for sure, but greedy millionaires they are not.

    4) Rasheed portrays McCain's plans for occupation in Iraq as infinite. Again, johnmccain.com lays out his vision on many issues and CLEARLY shows that McCain has a strategy for victory, support, AND withdrawal. He does not tie himself to a timeline- which Obama intitially did before changing stances- because he wisely understands that making a blanket promise un-grounded in reality can lead to unfufilled campaign promises.

    5) As to Palin's rally, I have written several articles about how she has injected glam and more celebrity status into the election. I agree that such celebrity worship is unfounded towards both her and Obama. Obama, however, is running for President and Palin for VP. The crux of my article was John McCain's lack of celebrity status and adherence to action.

    6) Next, there is the oft-presented stat by Democrats that McCain supported 90% of Bush's proposals. Yes, McCain IS a republican and would be expected to support a lot of Bush's ideals. BUT, as I mentioned in point 2, there are very real differences. An example is McCain's initial call for a Surge in Iraq long before the Bush Administration adopted that strategy. Another would be McCain's stronger push for alternative energies. A third would be McCain's propencity to reach over the aisle and create bipartisan legislation.

    7) Perhaps the most alarming statement is how Obama represents something new- something different than the divisive partisan politics of the past. Obama was rated, according to his actually voting record, as THE most liberal member of the U.S. Senate. His running mate, Mr. Biden, rated number 3. So much for Obama's quote about our country not being a liberal or conservative U.S., but just the U.S.. If that's how he feels, one would expect a more moderate, post-partisan voting record.

    8) My final comment is that I do appreciate this debate and considered it a wonderful honor to go head to head against another well-informed mind like Rasheed. I do, however, take some offense at his venom charges of a "mediocre mind". I admit I am not Albert Einstein- just as I could accuse him of being no Adam Smith. I place a tremendous amount of research and thought into my policy opinions. I look to back my ideas with substance. It is easy to recognize that Rasheed does the same. He certainly vocalizes his convictions well- and as mentioned can back them up. Hopefully, he and others can realize that I do the same. Although we may come to very different conclusions, the means with which we pursue those conclusions reside in the realm of rigorous debate and reciprocating respect. I look forward to more discussions in the future.
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